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Joseph Seals. His death seals the fate of those who caused it. Now we have to determine beyond the reasonable doubt, who caused it.
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The Cover inside the Cover, the False Flag wrapped in another False Flag – this appears to be the principle of the current hostile Intelligence Operations in the USA, as exemplified in the Jersey City shooting of 12.10.19
The New Abwehr Operations appear to be costructed on the basis of the Onion principle or the Matryoshka dolls principle: “a puzzle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma“, ultimately appearing to contain nothing.
The New Abwehr Operations appear to be costructed on the basis of the Onion principle or the Matryoshka dolls principle: “a puzzle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma“, ultimately appearing to contain nothing.
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Residents and the Jewish community in Jersey City are asking for clarification after the city’s mayor tweeted late Tuesday that two gunmen “targeted” the kosher market where they killed three people earlier in the afternoon but did not elaborate.
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After meeting with President Trump at the White House in the Oval Office on Tuesday, Russia’s foreign minister Sergey Lavrov said there was no talk of election interference and brushed off the notion that it was a topic of importance.
The Cover inside the Cover, the False Flag wrapped in another False Flag – this appears to be the principle of the current hostile Intelligence Operations in the USA, as exemplified in the Jersey City shooting of 12.10.19
The New Abwehr Operations appear to be costructed on the basis of the Onion principle or the Matryoshka dolls principle: “a puzzle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma“, ultimately appearing to contain nothing.
The New Abwehr Operations appear to be costructed on the basis of the Onion principle or the Matryoshka dolls principle: “a puzzle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma“, ultimately appearing to contain nothing.
Fulop (Full Op) vs. Trump – Kushner Conflict is the False Flag, pointing to two more, the usual by now, false flags and covers: Israel – “Bay View” and Russia using Israel as the false flag; and TOC behind them, which is used by the New Abwehr, the most likely culprit, as their false flag. It is the Onion principle or the Matryoshka doll principle: “a puzzle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma“ ultimately appearing to contain nothing, but which should be viewed as the single phenomenon, after the analysis, the pealing off of its successive cognitive, conceptual, explanatory layers.
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“Several people, including at least one officer, were killed in Jersey City, N.J., on Tuesday afternoon after two people opened fire around a convenience store, officials said, touching off a firefight involving dozens of law enforcement officers that made the residential area take on the feel of a war zone.
The Jersey City mayor said there were “multiple deceased” inside the building.
For more than an hour, loud exchanges of gunfire rang out in the city’s Greenville neighborhood. Helicopters circled overhead as police officers swarmed the streets. ”
Note the number sign: “1940” on what looks like a police track doors or the building entrance. Is this also the reference to the war: 1940, the start of WW2?
Is this just a coincidence (unlikely), or was this prearranged, and, therefore, was this incident planned in in advance?
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Several people, including at least one officer, were killed in Jersey City, N.J., on Tuesday afternoon after two people opened fire around a convenience store, officials said, touching off a firefight involving dozens of law enforcement officers that made the residential area take on the feel of a war zone.
The Jersey City mayor said there were “multiple deceased” inside the building.
For more than an hour, loud exchanges of gunfire rang out in the city’s Greenville neighborhood. Helicopters circled overhead as police officers swarmed the streets.
They aimed handguns and long guns in every direction as they traveled down the street in formations, knocking on doors and ushering residents and business owners to safety.
The shooting took place on Martin Luther King Drive near Bayview Avenue, according to local media. Jersey City is just west of New York City, across the Hudson River.
The Hudson County prosecutor’s office said earlier that one police officer was killed and another had been wounded in the gunfight.
Gov. Philip D. Murphy said in a statement: “Our thoughts and prayers are with the men and women of the Jersey City Police Department, especially with the officers shot during this standoff, and with the residents and schoolchildren currently under lockdown.”
Police vehicles from Hudson County, Bergen County, West New York and Jersey City lined the block from Grant Avenue to Myrtle Avenue.
Sacred Heart School, a Catholic elementary school across from the scene of the shooting, was placed on lockdown, a worker at the school said. The students there had not been harmed.
“The situation is outside and it’s ongoing,” the worker said.
Multiple law enforcement agencies were responding to the scene, including the F.B.I. and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
A spokesman for the A.T.F. said the agency was treating the incident as an “active shooter” situation as of 1:45 p.m. on Tuesday.
New Jersey Transit said it was suspending bus service and Hudson-Bergen Light Rail service as officers continued to respond.
Twelve public schools in the vicinity of the shooting were shut down and on lockdown, according to the superintendent of Jersey City Public Schools, Frank Walker.
Mr. Walker said he was told that gunfire broke out around 12:30 p.m. He and his staff were communicating with police officers, who were still responding to the shooting, he said.
Schools in neighboring Bayonne, N.J., were ordered to shelter in place as a result of the police activity.
Sharon Otterman and Ed Shanahan contributed reporting.
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Residents and the Jewish community in Jersey City are asking for clarification after the city’s mayor tweeted late Tuesday that two gunmen “targeted” the kosher market where they killed three people earlier in the afternoon but did not elaborate.
After meeting with President Trump at the White House in the Oval Office on Tuesday, Russia’s foreign minister Sergey Lavrov said there was no talk of election interference and brushed off the notion that it was a topic of importance.
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At least six people, including at least one police officer, were killed in Jersey City, N.J., on Tuesday afternoon after two people opened fire around a convenience store, officials said, touching off a firefight involving dozens of law enforcement officers that made the residential area take on the feel of a war zone.
Officials said the dead included three people in the store as well as two suspected shooters. The slain police officer was not immediately identified.
There was “no indication of terrorism,” an official said at a news conference.
A firefight broke out in a residential neighborhood.
For more than an hour, loud exchanges of gunfire rang out in the Greenville neighborhood of Jersey City, which is just across the Hudson River from Lower Manhattan. Helicopters circled overhead as police officers swarmed the streets.
They aimed handguns and long guns in every direction as they traveled down the street in formations, knocking on doors and ushering residents and business owners to safety.
The shooting started around 12:30 p.m., according to officials.
Jersey City’s mayor, Steven Fulop, said there were two separate incidents involved in the shootout. The first was at Bay View Cemetery, and the second took place at a corner store near the intersection of Martin Luther King Drive and Bayview Avenue.
The Hudson County prosecutor’s office said earlier that one police officer was killed and that two other officers and that a bystander had been wounded but were in stable condition.
Gov. Philip D. Murphy said in a statement: “Our thoughts and prayers are with the men and women of the Jersey City Police Department, especially with the officers shot during this standoff, and with the residents and schoolchildren currently under lockdown.”
Police vehicles from Hudson County, Bergen County, West New York and Jersey City lined the block from Grant Avenue to Myrtle Avenue.
Sacred Heart School, a Catholic elementary school across from the scene of the shooting, was placed on lockdown, a spokeswoman said. The students there had not been harmed.
Multiple law enforcement agencies were responding to the scene, including the F.B.I. and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
A spokesman for the A.T.F. said the agency was treating the incident as an “active shooter” situation as of 1:45 p.m. on Tuesday.
‘One of the biggest gunfights I’ve seen in a while.’
Residents cleared from their homes and stores watched anxiously from behind a barricade as SWAT teams, bomb squads and heavily armed officers overtook their neighborhoods.
As they stood at street corners, waiting for word that it would be safe to return, they described a tense standoff punctuated with exchanges of gunfire that did not stop until just before 2 p.m.
“I heard this constant shooting, and it kept going on for about 15 minutes,” said Willy McDonald, 67. By the time he came outside, there were cops everywhere. “There had to be at least 8 of them.”
“This is one of the biggest gunfights I’ve seen in a while,” said Mr. McDonald. “And I’ve been in Vietnam.”
One frustrated resident, Corey McCloed, 39, said it was like the city was under siege.
Schools on lock down
Twelve public schools in the vicinity of the shooting were shut down and on lockdown, according to the superintendent of Jersey City Public Schools, Frank Walker.
Mr. Walker said he was told that gunfire broke out around 12:30 p.m. He and his staff were communicating with police officers, who were still responding to the shooting, he said.
Schools in neighboring Bayonne, N.J., were ordered to shelter in place as a result of the police activity.
New Jersey Transit said it was suspending bus service and Hudson-Bergen Light Rail service as officers continued to respond.
Kwame Opam, Sharon Otterman and Ed Shanahan contributed reporting.
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Multiple people have died inside a Jersey City building, Mayor Steven Fulop said.
The mayor did not provide further information.
One officer was killed and three other officers were hurt in the shooting. One of the officers was shot in the shoulder and should recover, Fulop said. The two other officers were injured due to shrapnel, the mayor added.
Several people, including at least one officer, were killed in Jersey City, N.J., on Tuesday afternoon after two people opened fire around a convenience store, officials said, touching off a firefight involving dozens of law enforcement officers that made the residential area take on the feel of a war zone.
The Jersey City mayor said there were “multiple deceased” inside the building.
For more than an hour, loud exchanges of gunfire rang out in the city’s Greenville neighborhood. Helicopters circled overhead as police officers swarmed the streets.
They aimed handguns and long guns in every direction as they traveled down the street in formations, knocking on doors and ushering residents and business owners to safety.
The shooting took place on Martin Luther King Drive near Bayview Avenue, according to local media. Jersey City is just west of New York City, across the Hudson River.
The Hudson County prosecutor’s office said earlier that one police officer was killed and another had been wounded in the gunfight.
Gov. Philip D. Murphy said in a statement: “Our thoughts and prayers are with the men and women of the Jersey City Police Department, especially with the officers shot during this standoff, and with the residents and schoolchildren currently under lockdown.”
Police vehicles from Hudson County, Bergen County, West New York and Jersey City lined the block from Grant Avenue to Myrtle Avenue.
Sacred Heart School, a Catholic elementary school across from the scene of the shooting, was placed on lockdown, a worker at the school said. The students there had not been harmed.
“The situation is outside and it’s ongoing,” the worker said.
Multiple law enforcement agencies were responding to the scene, including the F.B.I. and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
A spokesman for the A.T.F. said the agency was treating the incident as an “active shooter” situation as of 1:45 p.m. on Tuesday.
New Jersey Transit said it was suspending bus service and Hudson-Bergen Light Rail service as officers continued to respond.
Twelve public schools in the vicinity of the shooting were shut down and on lockdown, according to the superintendent of Jersey City Public Schools, Frank Walker.
Mr. Walker said he was told that gunfire broke out around 12:30 p.m. He and his staff were communicating with police officers, who were still responding to the shooting, he said.
Schools in neighboring Bayonne, N.J., were ordered to shelter in place as a result of the police activity.
Sharon Otterman and Ed Shanahan contributed reporting.
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“We have said once again how important it is to have a dialogue between parties,” Putin said.
Zelensky said the meeting itself was “a big step toward peace.”
The talks yielded enough progress to get the peace process moving, but as expected, there was no major breakthrough.
“We haven’t found the magic wand, but we have relaunched talks,” said French President Emmanuel Macron, who convened the gathering. He said the talks had made “practical, tangible progress.”
The parties agreed to meet again in four months to discuss one of the stumbling blocks: conditions for elections in eastern Ukraine, which would then lead to special status for the regions.
The Ukrainian president has declared that there can be no elections in those regions until all military formations have withdrawn.
The negotiations — pitting a comedian turned president with no international diplomacy experience against a calculating former KGB agent who has been in power for decades — come at a crucial moment in Ukraine’s grinding conflict in the east.
Civilians and soldiers are still dying along the front lines, and Zelensky rose to power on the promise of delivering peace. But some observers fear he could be pushed into concessions that would further embolden Putin.
This is a lonely moment for Zelensky. Once-ironclad U.S. support for Ukraine is shrinking under President Trump. German Chancellor Angela Merkel helped mediate Monday’s meetings, but she is distracted by her own roiling domestic politics.
And Macron, who has tried to cast himself as the leader of Europe, has championed a reset with Russia, declaring that even though he has “no illusions” about the Kremlin’s conduct, it is not an enemy.
Russia is under U.S. and European sanctions for its actions against Ukraine, including its annexation of Crimea in early 2014 and its military support for separatists who carved off a chunk of eastern Ukraine. But Macron’s call for a rapprochement suggests that European support for sanctions will not last indefinitely.
The Normandy Format talks on Monday involved a series of meetings. Merkel and Zelensky arrived at the French presidential residence, the Elysee Palace, about 3 p.m. Putin arrived about 15 minutes later. Zelensky first met with Macron and then Merkel. After a meeting of all four leaders, Putin and Zelensky held a one-on-one session, according to Elysee officials, which was followed by an official dinner.
Tass, the state-owned Russian news agency, reported that the two had a 10- or 15-minute one-on-one meeting after an hour-long session that included the Russian and Ukrainian leaders and their delegations.
Interfax reported that Russia and Ukraine also discussed but failed to reach agreement on the renewal of a gas transit deal involving Russian gas piped via Ukraine to Europe. Transit fees on Russian gas are crucial to Ukraine, worth about $3 billion a year to its budget.
Ukraine and Russia have accused each other of violating previous cease-fires.
Zelensky said he wanted a genuine, lasting cease-fire with clear obligations on both sides, not a “fake” one, where shooting started again after a few days. “A serious cease-fire means not shooting, as I understand it, one with clear terms and obligations.”
He urged Russia to exert its influence and added: “I am convinced we will see a cease-fire by the end of this year.”
The parties also agreed to set up three more zones of disengagement on the front lines of the conflict.
The obstacles to further progress are formidable.
Taras Semenuk, an analyst with the independent KyivStart think tank, said in an interview that if Zelensky reached agreement with Putin, his political opponents would portray him as betraying Ukraine’s interests.
“It doesn’t matter what kind of solution it will be. The opposition is already preparing arguments to criticize the president. It is possible these arguments will translate into protests in the streets of Kyiv,” he said.
Putin, meanwhile, is seen as unlikely to give up Russia’s long-term strategic objective of keeping Ukraine firmly in its geopolitical backyard, rather than see it pivot further to the West and join NATO.
Officially, Russia denies military involvement in the eastern Ukraine conflict and calls it an internal Ukrainian matter.
Sergey Korsunsky, a Ukrainian official from the diplomatic academy of the Ministry of International Affairs, said in an interview that the talks offered Zelensky “a moment of truth” and his first chance to evaluate whether Putin was willing to reach a peace deal.
Korsunsky said everything would depend on Putin. “Putin will make a decision. We need to understand this [decision] in order to make a decision ourselves. If there are conditions that we cannot implement, then we will search for another way.”
Delivering peace was Zelensky’s biggest campaign promise in his upset April victory against Petro Poroshenko, the man who led Ukraine since close to the start of the 2014 conflict.
But some Ukrainians fear that Zelensky will make too many compromises with Putin, either because of a lack of support from the West or because of his own lack of experience in difficult international negotiations.
In Ukraine, many observers — even Zelensky’s supporters — were nervous about the meeting at a moment when prominent Republicans in Washington have seized on the false conspiracy theory that Ukraine, not Russia, interfered in the 2016 presidential election.
“The people in the Kremlin should order boxes of champagne. Even people from the GOP are saying maybe Ukraine meddled in the 2016 election,” said Pavlo Klimkin, Ukraine’s foreign minister until August.
On the eve of the talks, Zelensky’s political opponents rallied in Kyiv, warning that the Ukrainian president should not surrender to Putin.
Poroshenko, whose relations with Putin were poisonous, told the rally no good could come of the talks.
“Don’t trust Putin. Never. At all. Putin manipulates with everything: content, facts, numbers, maps, emotions. He hates Ukraine and Ukrainians and does not see our place on the political map of Europe,” Poroshenko said.
Mykhailo Onipchenko, a business executive, said in an interview that he doubted Zelensky would succeed, “but at least he will better understand who Putin is.
“Ukraine’s goal is to become free and to restore unity, and Putin’s goal is to destroy our liberty and sovereignty. And Zelensky doesn’t understand that it will be like a sheep negotiating with the wolf,” he said, describing the talks.
Ukraine’s minister for economic development, Tymofiy Mylovanov, said Monday that Russian aggression against Ukraine had cost the smaller nation’s economy between $50 billion and $150 billion since Russia annexed Crimea.
The International Monetary Fund announced Saturday that a provisional agreement had been reached with Ukraine for a three-year, $5.5 billion loan — although the deal has not been approved by IMF management or its board. Ukraine would have to implement “a set of prior actions,” according to a statement Saturday by IMF Managing Director Kristalina Georgieva. She said Ukraine needed to strengthen the rule of law, improve judges’ integrity and curb the role of powerful vested interests.
Trump’s suspicions of Ukraine and his role in the holdup of military aid this past summer have cast doubts on U.S. support for Ukraine in its conflict with Russia.
Zelensky’s allies say U.S. backing remains crucial in discussions with Russia.
“We are engaged in negotiations on the weaker side. And that U.S. support is part of the leverage we have,” said Bohdan Yaremenko, chairman of the foreign affairs committee of the Ukrainian parliament and a Zelensky ally.
Trump is facing impeachment proceedings because of a July 25 phone call in which he asked Zelensky to dig up dirt on a domestic political opponent at a time when the White House had frozen nearly $400 million in military aid to Ukraine.
Trump has denied wrongdoing, insisting the phone call was “perfect,” and Zelensky has repeatedly stated that there was no quid pro quo in the July conversation, nor any pressure.
The talks in Paris came at one of the most contentious moments of Macron’s presidency, as France has been crippled by transportation strikes in response to his plans to overhaul the country’s retirement system. The foreign heads of state all arrived in a city on edge, where public transportation isn’t operating normally and where a massive demonstration is set for Tuesday.
Birnbaum reported from Kyiv, and Natalie Gryvnyak in Kyiv contributed to this report.
The leaders of France, Germany, Ukraine and Russia met in Paris for five and a half hours of talks on Monday, producing at the day’s end a joint communique that said all parties would “commit to a full and comprehensive implementation” of a ceasefire in Ukraine by the end of the year.
French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel took part in the negotiations, but all eyes were on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and Russian President Vladimir Putin, who represent opposing sides
that has claimed the lives of around 13,000 people.
close dialog
Russia and Ukraine have been locked in a proxy conflict that began in 2014, when Russia occupied and annexed the Crimean peninsula from Ukraine and backed pro-Russian separatists in the Donbas region. Russia has never openly acknowledged that it is a belligerent in the conflict, although Ukraine and its Western backers say Moscow has sent military hardware, advisors and even conventional military forces to support the separatists.
Monday’s meeting was the first between the Ukrainian and Russian presidents since Zelensky took office earlier this year in a landslide election victory. The two leaders have already taken steps toward compromise: They recently hammered out a deal for a prisoner swap that paved the way for Monday’s meeting.
In Paris, the pair committed to an important new step, pledging to work toward local elections in the separatist regions of eastern Ukraine. But they avoided the thorny issue of when, exactly, that might happen.
They remain far apart on the timing of elections to determine the status of territory currently controlled by separatists. At a press conference at the conclusion of the summit, Zelensky said Ukraine insists on full control of his country’s eastern borders before such an election can take place, while Putin said that elections should come first.
“The president of the Russian Federation and I have a different view of the transfer of the border,” Zelensky said. “I’m saying the issue of border transfer should take place before the local elections.”
The meeting was a study in contrasts, with Zelensky arriving in a low-key Renault and Putin in an armored black limousine.
The Russian president is a practiced hand at this kind of international summitry: He has been on the international stage for two decades now, and he understands the element of theater that goes into such highly scripted meetings. Russian state television repeatedly showed a clip of Putin prodding Zelensky to turn around for a photo spray.
“It’s good, I’m pleased,” a relaxed-looking Putin told reporters as he walked past the press center and answered questions about his one-on-one talks with Zelensky.
But while Zelensky may be the geopolitical novice, he also has advantages. He enjoys a broad popular mandate, despite a recent slip in the polls. And he represents a younger alternative to the increasingly geriatric post-Soviet leadership currently running Russia, and he can engage with Putin in his own language.
It’s also clear what Monday’s meeting does not represent. Ukraine does not get back Crimea, something considered non-negotiable by Moscow.
And Russia will not see a lifting of European sanctions that were imposed after the annexation of the semi-autonomous region in 2014.
“People in Eastern Ukraine have been waiting much too long for peace,” German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said in a statement earlier on Monday. “At the moment [there is] no reason to change EU sanctions regime.”
A one-on-one session between Putin and Zelensky in Paris did not resolve the biggest issue of who will control Ukraine’s eastern border when elections happen in separatist regions. But it did, at least, show the two leaders could engage in dialogue.
Reporting contributed by Saskya Vandoorne and Nick Paton Walsh.
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